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[环球动态] 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

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发表于 2021-02-19 22:10 超大游击队员 | 显示全部楼层
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炮姐 发表于 2021-02-19 22:08
你想多了吧


他讲话中的“对华强硬态度”在某一瞬间稍稍“一泄气”,美国国内的对华鹰派和保守派媒体就纷纷瞅准时机扑上来“撕咬”拜登。

原文这么关键一段话,楼主真没放出来,带给别人就会出现错觉,而且原文更长,讲睡王团队是如何坚定强硬,但鹰派是觉得如何不够……
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RE: 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

gmxlidaqiang 发表于 2021-02-19 21:51
越南战争是共和党发动的

确切的说:
1955—1960年共和党的艾森豪威尔政府在南越扶植吴廷艳担任总统,建立亲美民主政权。这一阶段越南主要是北南冲突,美国没有下场!
1961年4月底,民主党的肯尼迪在决定增加驻越军事顾问和派遣首批美国特种部队的同时,下令进行强化的秘密战。美国军队正式介入。
1965年3月2日,民主党的总统约翰逊批准了“滚雷行动”(Operation Rolling Thunder),对北越进行大规模轰炸。 3月8日,3500名美国海军陆战队员在越南岘港登陆,越南战争正式爆发。6月,美国军队开始直接同越南人民军作战。
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发表于 2021-02-19 22:18 | 显示全部楼层
拜登能说出这话来也算对目前形势的客观认识吧
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星辰大海789 发表于 2021-02-19 19:32
前段时间库洛徳写书披露 说懂王听了几个公知的预测 只要加25%关税 兔子很快就奔溃 结果......

公知的日历还停在2007年
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发表于 2021-02-19 23:16 | 显示全部楼层
现在还是嘴硬的“听其言”阶段,这是新上台总统的惯例,后面就会进入“观其行”阶段
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发表于 2021-02-19 23:40 | 显示全部楼层
睡王活动空间有限,而且掣肘的地方极其多,只可供观望,不可寄希望。
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星辰大海789 发表于 2021-02-19 19:32
前段时间库洛徳写书披露 说懂王听了几个公知的预测 只要加25%关税 兔子很快就奔溃 结果......

懂王后来大骂,这帮孙子,被你们忽悠惨了,现在美国啥好处没得到,我还没办法去建国门开川菜馆了。
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发表于 2021-02-20 01:03 超大游击队员 | 显示全部楼层
拜登是拜登,美国是美国,国内势力不会轻易妥协。
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RE: 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

航母上的大JJ 发表于 2021-02-20 01:03
拜登是拜登,美国是美国,国内势力不会轻易妥协。

不妥协他又能够怎么样?
能用的牌都被川普打光了。
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即使是这样,有些事也由不得拜登,他的团队、deep state、国会,都是反中的,程度不同而已。
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RE: 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

gmtiger 发表于 2021-02-19 19:20
这翻译有所偏差,其实拜登本意是他会强硬的

这里是原文,自己读吧,没有什么难理解的。原文在这里

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/02/16/biden_gives_confusing_answer_on_standing_up_to_china_i_shouldnt_try_to_talk_china_policy_in_10_minutes_on_television.html

老美自己也不满意拜登的回答啊。这就有意思了。


COOPER: You just talked to China's president, I believe.

BIDEN: Yes, for two hours.  

COOPER: What about the Uyghurs? What about human rights abuses in China?

BIDEN: The Uyghurs.  

We must speak up for human rights. It's who we are. We can't -- my comment to him was -- and I know him well, and he knows me well. We're -- a two-hour conversation.  

COOPER: You talked about this to him?  

BIDEN: I talked about this too.  

And that's not so much refugee, but I talked about it. I said, look -- Chinese leaders, if you know anything about Chinese history, it has always been the time China when has been victimized by the outer world is when they haven't been unified at home.

So, the central -- to vastly overstate it, the central principle of Xi Jinping is that there must be a united, tightly controlled China. And he uses his rationale for the things he does based on that.  

I point out to him, no American president can be sustained as a president if he doesn't reflect the values of the United States. And so the idea I'm not going to speak out against what he's doing in Hong Kong, what he's doing with the Uyghurs in western mountains of China, and Taiwan, trying to end the One-China policy by making it forceful, I said -- by the way, he said he gets it.  

Culturally, there are different norms that each country and their leaders are expected to follow. But my point was that, when I came back from meeting with him and traveling 17,000 miles with him when I was vice president and he was the vice president -- and that's how I got to know him so well, at the request of President Hu -- not a joke -- his predecessor, President Hu, and President Obama wanted us to get to know one another, because he was going to the president.  

And I came back and said, they're going to end their one-child policy, because they're so xenophobic, they won't let anybody else in. And more people are retired than working. How can they sustain economic growth when more people are retired?  

COOPER:  When you talk to him, though, about human rights abuses, is that just -- is that as far as it goes in terms of the U.S.? Or is there any actual repercussions for China?  

BIDEN:  Well, there will be repercussions for China. And he knows that.  

What I'm doing is making clear that we, in fact, are going to continue to reassert our role as spokespersons for human rights at the U.N. and other agencies that have an impact on their attitude. China is trying very hard to become the world leader and to get that moniker. And to be able to do that, they have to gain the confidence of other countries.  

And as long as they're engaged in activity that is contrary to basic human rights, it's going to be hard for them to do that.  

But it's more much more complicated than that. I'm -- I shouldn't try to talk China policy in 10 minutes on television here.  

COOPER:  Well, let me bring it back to the United States.  
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有点意思。
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nousername 发表于 2021-02-20 01:26
这里是原文,自己读吧,没有什么难理解的。原文在这里

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021 ...

xenophobic。。。。。。

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gmtiger 发表于 2021-02-19 19:20
这翻译有所偏差,其实拜登本意是他会强硬的

51楼,,,,
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发表于 2021-02-20 12:24 | 显示全部楼层
拜登要延续奥黑的政策,在中东、二毛等地方搞事了。
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发表于 2021-02-20 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
关键是他能不能代表华尔街?
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发表于 2021-02-20 13:38 | 显示全部楼层
美国:夸夸其谈,满嘴放炮,
中国:人狠话不多,
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不管是哪个当总统,中美对抗是必然的
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发表于 2021-02-20 13:42 | 显示全部楼层
我们要做的是提高军事实力与经济实力,防止美国人冒险
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发表于 2021-02-20 13:44 超大游击队员 | 显示全部楼层
看着这些总统们的发炎大同小异
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这个应该是中方的红线了吧,世人都明白
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时军侃 发表于 2021-02-20 12:24
拜登要延续奥黑的政策,在中东、二毛等地方搞事了。

美国现在还有钱有精力搞事?
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xrx 发表于 2021-02-20 14:07
美国现在还有钱有精力搞事?

美国人是搞了事就会有钱。
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RE: 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

幽燕狂士 发表于 2021-02-20 13:18
关键是他能不能代表华尔街?

今天外管局放风,中方将开放个人每年5万美元投资境外资本市场。

这2个小时的会谈大有文章。

之前在西西河有个匿名用户说过,中美关系的关键在于08年金融危机后定下的美元以中国生产力为锚进行发行。2014年中方单方面撕毁协定,导致中美关系逐步走向对抗。
这次因为疫情的关系,美方重新要和中国商谈美元锚定问题。坊间传闻可能是以台湾换取美元重新锚定。

这次外管局放风和媒体报道的统一问题,极有可能是真的有大交易。
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RE: 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

拜登只是想缓和一下经济。等缓过劲来再来干我们!
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缓兵之计而已。中美矛盾不可调和。贸易战就是捅破窗户纸挑明。放弃幻想,加紧武备,预防狗急跳墙。
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RE: 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

zwz3281533 发表于 2021-02-19 19:54
唉,连英文文章都不能如实翻译,到底谁是可信的?整天让民众不信谣不传谣,难道民众连知道一些烂大街的实情 ...

看党让你看的,信党让你信的
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瞌睡乔是笑面虎,骨子里坏得很
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RE: 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

zwz3281533 发表于 2021-02-19 19:54
唉,连英文文章都不能如实翻译,到底谁是可信的?整天让民众不信谣不传谣,难道民众连知道一些烂大街的实情 ...

问一下,你懂英文吗?
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圣骑士2018 发表于 2021-02-19 22:03
你没看过拜登接受采访原文吧?

问一下,你懂英文吗?
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zwz3281533 发表于 2021-02-19 19:54
唉,连英文文章都不能如实翻译,到底谁是可信的?整天让民众不信谣不传谣,难道民众连知道一些烂大街的实情 ...

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/joe-biden-town-hall-02-16-21/index.html

Asked about his call with Chinese leader Xi Jinping, President Biden said that the US "must speak up on human rights" and that there will "be repercussions for China" over human rights abuses.

"There will be repercussions for China and [Xi Jinping] knows that," Biden said

"What I'm doing is, making clear that, we, in fact, are going to continue to reassert our role as spokespersons for human rights at the UN and other agencies that have an impact on their attitude," Biden told CNN's Anderson Cooper during tonight's town hall.

Biden went on to describe what he told the Chinese leader with regards to human rights and the United States' stance.

"I point out to him no American president can be sustained as a president, if he doesn't reflect the values of the United States. And so the idea is, that I am not going to speak out against what he's doing in Hong Kong, what he's doing with the Uyghurs in the western mountains of China and Taiwan trying to end the one China policy by making it forceful...he gets, it culturally there are different norms that each country and that leaders are expected to follow," Biden said.

"China is trying very hard to become the world leader. And to get that moniker and be able to do that they have to gain the confidence of other countries. And as long as they are engaged in activity that is contrary to basic human rights, it's going to be hard for them to do that," Biden explained

Biden ended his answer by noting that the issue and China policy in general is "much more complicated than that, I shouldn't try to talk China policy in 10 minutes on television."
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gmtiger 发表于 2021-02-19 19:20
这翻译有所偏差,其实拜登本意是他会强硬的

翻译没有偏差,你这解读得有偏差
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/joe-biden-town-hall-02-16-21/index.html
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土地革命001 发表于 2021-02-20 14:22
今天外管局放风,中方将开放个人每年5万美元投资境外资本市场。

这2个小时的会谈大有文章。

这个有点匪夷所思,不知真假?
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混混兔 发表于 2021-02-19 21:18
是原文,只是没翻译全,对华挑全文最软的,对中国强硬的一字都没翻。只是有人就受不了了,23333。

...

睡王在town hall里自己提的跟xi交谈了两小时,翻译基本上是忠于睡王原文的
视频可以在
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/02/17/china-uyghurs-human-rights-joe-biden-town-hall-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/joe-biden-town-hall/

这里看,cnn没有被墙
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jeandja 发表于 2021-02-20 16:21
翻译没有偏差,你这解读得有偏差
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/joe-biden-town-hall-02- ...

他说的不强硬?
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jeandja 发表于 2021-02-20 16:21
翻译没有偏差,你这解读得有偏差
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/joe-biden-town-hall-02- ...

Well, there will be repercussions for China. And he knows that.

这个 repercussion是付出代价的意思,不对?
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RE: 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

aguang1 发表于 2021-02-19 19:25
目前看,只有台湾媒体是那么解读的。环球时报在美国也有记者,难道英文很差?

怎么理解repercussion?
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RE: 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

nousername 发表于 2021-02-20 01:26
这里是原文,自己读吧,没有什么难理解的。原文在这里

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021 ...

I point out to him, no American president can be sustained as a president if he doesn't reflect the values of the United States. And so the idea I'm not going to speak out against what he's doing in Hong Kong, what he's doing with the Uyghurs in western mountains of China, and Taiwan, trying to end the One-China policy by making it forceful, I said -- by the way, he said he gets it.  

前一句说如果我不捍卫美国的价值就不能当美国总统,后句能是所以我不会公开指责香港,新疆和武力改变台海现状?这后半句明显是承接上句来的,解释什么是不能捍卫美国价值。而且后面主持人也追问了是不是要他们承担严重后果,他说是的。综合全文逻辑,他是表达强硬立场。这也符合他刚从特朗普超强反中立场接班应有的态度。
共和党指责他的原因是这个repercussion用的不够强硬
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gmtiger 发表于 2021-02-20 19:37
Well, there will be repercussions for China. And he knows that.

这个 repercussion是付出代价的意 ...

repercussion 是“反应、反响”。“there will be repercussions for China”意思是“(美国)将会对中国做出反应”。
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RE: 看来2个小时的电话,还真谈到实质问题了

duanyao 发表于 2021-02-20 19:54
repercussion 是“反应、反响”。“there will be repercussions for China”意思是“(美国)将会对中国 ...

Consequences is used most frequently to talk about possible negative results of an action. It is commonly used with such words as adverse , dire , disastrous , fatal , harmful , negative , serious , tragic

英文释义,自己看看吧
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